Man who sparked John Snow furore claims couple were "fondling"

The man who made a complaint about a gay couple kissing in a Soho pub has claimed the two men in question engineered a news story out of something that “really didn’t happen”.

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Thursday, 17 May 2012
16 April 2011
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The man who made a complaint about a gay couple kissing in a Soho pub has claimed the two men in question engineered a news story out of something that “really didn’t happen”.


The man known only as Gary from Richmond, outlined the reasons for his complaint at the John Snow pub on Wednesday, but has denied it had anything to do with the fact that the couple were gay. 


Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Gary insisted financial journalist Jonathan Williams, 26, and charity worker James Bull, 23, continued to act inappropriately after a barman had asked them to moderate their behaviour following what he describes as a “full-on snog” and “fondling”.


Gary, 57, said: “You’ve gone out for the evening with your wife and you’re having a quiet drink in the pub and the guys on the next table are giving each other a full-on snog and fondling one another in ways that I thought were inappropriate, hence my complaint.” he said.


 “I know Soho is a little bit different and you can expect to see a little bit more, but they were asked by the barman to moderate their behaviour, which they didn’t do...I think they are really making a news story out of something that really didn’t happen.”


Gary refuted claims from the public that the complaint was made simply because the couple in question were gay. “I have gay and lesbian friends within both our work situation and our social life,” he said. 


The incident became headline news after spreading on social networking site Twitter, sparking a mass gay kiss-in outside the pub on Friday night, which attracted hundreds of protestors.


Mr. Williams refuted claims he was trying to engineer a story. He told the BBC: “I don’t have a story, I happened to be in the spotlight when something bad happened. When I was asked to leave by a barwoman I repeatedly asked her name and she asked me mine. I said ‘Jonathan Williams, I’m a journalist’. At that point I was very angry, I would not have considered taking it further.


He added: “I put it on Twitter, the fact that it is all over Twitter doesn’t have anything to do with me - that is the power of social media. I can’t be held responsible for the fact it was passed on and I can’t be held responsible for the fact that kissing in a pub outrages people.”


Mr. Williams said he and Mr. Bull, who were on their first date, had “stopped kissing for probably a good hour” after being told to moderate their behaviour and said nothing “obscene or untoward” occurred.


Regarding the complainant, Mr. Williams said: “If he was uncomfortable I apologise, but I don’t think there’s anything untoward about kissing in a pub in Soho or anywhere for that matter - but especially in Soho, even if it isn’t a gay pub. It’s the heart of Soho, there shouldn’t be a problem with two men, two women or a straight couple kissing.”

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- 28/04/2011 00:19:29

When I'm in a pub, I've better things to do than monitor the other customers - unless of course they interrupt my conversation or try to steal my drink. What an empty life you must lead, with no other entertainment than watching other people! I'm surprised you can even bear to spend money on drink at all...

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- 23/04/2011 23:56:12

I don't care who it is ,straight ,gay or whatever but consideration has to be given to other customers and if I was in a pub and a couple near me ewere eating the face off each other and /or "fondling" I'd not be happy ....a pub licensee/landlord has to consider all customers..it might have been better if the pub or brewers had issued a statemnt explaining excatly what these 2 had been doing and why they were asked to leave but there was no obligation on them to do so . As for the "kiss in" this is just an example of gays getting outraged for all the wrong reasons and puts all gays in a poor light .

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- 21/04/2011 13:50:58

What sort of weirdo is this Gary? As long as the couple were not kissing him (God forbid!) or his wife (even worse, no doubt), then it's NONE OF HIS BUSINESS. He's there to drink, not to dictate the behaviour of everyone else. And that un-named woman is worse. All praise to the LGBT crowd who deprived them of an evening's takings. Keep doing it, folks! Far more objectionable is loud or irritating music ("muzak") or TV in pubs.

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- 20/04/2011 06:37:42

I'm a 45 yr old gay man who is madly in love, but sitting in a bar with my tongue down my fellas throat is not for me. Gay, straight, or whatever is not the way to behave in public. Call me old fashioned, but there is a way to act in public places and this is not the correct way...... I know there are two sides to every story and will probably never know the true events of this...

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- 19/04/2011 21:28:12

I guess thats his version of "if you tell a lie often enough and outrageous enough it will be seen as the truth. but what else would you expect from a christian - whose whole religion is based on the greatest lie ever told No wonder they are so absolutist. One chink in their armor and the whole Bull$#!t scene is exposed.

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- 19/04/2011 18:47:54

as a lesbian, i feel strongly about gay rights and equality for all, i would not want to see any couples with their tongue down anyones throat regardless of their sex. pub, street or park, I dont want to see it. i would have complained.

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- 17/04/2011 13:48:16

I'm gay ish, but i feel all the time that its somehow still forbidden for me to express any kind of affection in public. I obviously suffer from internalised homophobia, once someone tells you its wrong for so long you kind of start to accept it. How wrong is that!? I think this kind of publicity is good, the LGBTQ community is NOT accepted, it is only barely tolerated in major cities. There is a long way to go in terms of society accepting it.

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- 17/04/2011 04:30:51

As a gay man I see this as another "happening" that puts gays in a bad light. They well told to stop, whether it was more than a kiss or not,good manners should have come first. I've been in pubs were a man and woman have been kissing and asked to stop. A Landlord has to think of his other customers not just a couple of gays. Its reactions like this that put back all that other gays have worked for to get accepted.

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- 16/04/2011 19:56:36

I know plenty of pubs that don't allow people to kiss whether gay or straight. Some venues just don't like this level of affection, and if the rules are the same for the straight customers as well as the gay ones then I don't see the problem.

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- 16/04/2011 12:42:00

I'm sure the pub videotape will show whether it was just a peck on the cheek or something more when it comes to court.

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- 16/04/2011 12:24:09

Here we go again. Another 'outraged gay couple' story which has hit the news and which has left many people both gay and straight wondering now whether this wasn't just done for publicity and/or compensation purposes. As for the 'kiss in' follow up, In my opinion it's done more harm than good as it has now demonstrated for pure publicity purposes the overtly militant attitudes now prevalent in the community, and also how cheaply it is prepared to sell itself at all costs to make a point. And this latest news item really has finally made it the laughing stock of the year (so far).

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