EXCLUSIVE: XXL owner Mark Ames slammed for Muslim boycott

Community leaders have slammed XXL club owner Mark Ames today after he vowed to boycott British Muslims.

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Thursday, 2 September 2010
30 June 2010
Community leaders have slammed XXL club owner Mark Ames today after he vowed to boycott British Muslims.

The London nightclub entrepreneur promised to snub Muslim-owned businesses in response to racial unrest in East London. He also tried to justify his decision by reference to the death toll of British troops in Afghanistan, which has risen above 300.

He wrote on Facebook: “From today I will be boycotting any shops, petrol stations restaurants or businesses I know are owned by Muslims this also includes holidays to muslim [sic] countries today see [sic] our death toll up to 300, so why the hell are we not just flying this scum back out to there beloved states and pull out and let them fight out there [sic] own issues!”

PinkPaper.com has repeatedly invited Ames to speak to us but he has refused saying he has already been “tried and convicted” and adding, in an email to us, “i [sic] dont [sic] want to see anyone race or creed [sic] being kicked out of the country.”

There is no suggestion that others involved in XXL club share his views but one representative did say they would be supporting his right to freedom of speech.

Now, leading members of London’s gay community have criticised his original comments.

Ali Hili of IraqiLGBT said: “I don’t think it’s acceptable from anyone, especially someone with a high profile. This is especially when the people he’s talking about could be deported to a country which, in turn, may cause them harm. I am in this country because I have fear for my life and I still face discrimination – even here.”

Royston Ford, secretary of gay group Imaan, agrees: “If he [Mark Ames] holds the views attributed to him, he has shown himself to be a rather unpleasant, but unrepresentative example of the LGBT community in London and further afield.

“Whilst racist and Islamophobic views like this do exist amongst a minority of LGBT people, he is not representative of the majority of fair-minded and decent people. If Mr Ames chooses – whilst most of are preparing to celebrate the diversity of our communities in Pride 2010 – to descend into his own gay shame, then that is his loss.
 
“He is as representative of LGBT people as the drug-peddling, murdering gangsters of Afghanistan are representative of ordinary Muslims – whether gay, straight, in this country or elsewhere. Imaan, and LGBT Muslims are preparing to celebrate Pride 2010 with our brothers and sisters of all communities, both in the parade and with events in London and in Bradford. We suggest Mr Ames is best ignored.”

Human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell remarked how “it is absolutely wrong to stigmatise and penalise the whole Muslim population.”

“Not all Muslims are fundamentalists and anti-gay,” he added. “A blanket boycott would harm straight Muslims who are not homophobic. It would also harm gay Muslims who own businesses. Why should they be boycotted? It doesn’t make sense and is most unfair.

“I support protests against Muslims and people of other faiths who stir up homophobic hatred and discrimination. But generalising and targeting all Muslims based on the prejudices of some Muslims is as bad as straight bigots generalising and punishing all LGBT people based on the crimes of gay rapists or serial killers.”

And another club boss, Jeremy Joseph of London’s G-A-Y, has also joined the chorus of criticism, saying he was “gobsmacked” by Ames comments.

He said that while Ames may have been trying to honour British troops in Afghanistan, he has actually “insulted them and failed to understand what they are fighting and dying for”. The stated aim of the British Army is to bring peace and stability so desperately craved by the majority of Muslims in Afghanistan, who are also suffering at the hands of the insurgents.

And Joseph was worried that the comments would make gay Muslims feel unwelcome at XXL.

“Gay Muslims are a minority amongst a minority and we should be supporting them,” he said. I hope gay Muslims stand up against what he says because their voice isn’t heard enough in this country. I would say boycott XXL if you support gay Muslims.”

However, some PinkPaper.com readers have backed Ames. In response to our exclusive yesterday, one forum user wrote: “whats the big deal? [sic] and why does a phoney pc liberal, pink paper [sic] reader find it disturbing? the reader should be more disturbed by the evil persecution and hate murder on a par to genocide of lgbt people in islamic states.” [sic]

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- 7/16/2010 4:34:02 PM

So we still wait to hear about the big cheque XXL are handing over from the takings of Gay Pride night to make up for Mark Ames racist comments - guess once again we will not see any or hear of it - funny how we sweep things under the carpet of shame...

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- 7/14/2010 5:48:14 PM

we'll leave the pit bull with the baby and see what happens. bet the catholics are laughing their tits off... for once!

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- 7/9/2010 8:58:26 AM

Great - so what was mark Ames thinking of? he stirs the pot with the Muslim community, one which would love to see Gays get hit - So you have t ask how safe is it now to attend a gay night at XXL, not in the most busiest of places and at 2 am when your leaving via dark streets not a safe area!

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- 7/7/2010 9:15:20 PM

sorry ? subtlety? did you read Mark Ames message about ALL muslims ? i mean " ALL" .. if you want to make point about subtlety pls send message to Mark Ames .. i knew he is dwarf but i didnt know he is fascist too .

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- 7/7/2010 1:43:43 PM

How easy is it to spot the posts written by Mark Ames, his partner James McNeil and other XXL mouthpieces? Have some subtlety guys...

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- 7/6/2010 11:58:45 PM

Is Nick Griffin a closet gay? Is he a Closet Bear? Gee, there you go! Maybe he is a journalist for the Pink Paper the way they write about people, instead of supporting George Michael they are using his misfortune to promote their version of news.......pathetic

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- 7/6/2010 8:39:43 PM

when MARK AMES going to invite NICK GRIFFIN ( BNP ) to XXL nights ?

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- 7/6/2010 6:39:09 PM

Why is this Tim Jones always being mentioned in name here? who is he? and where can we find this famous person and his posts??? Paul Burston the famous author, Jeremy from GAY and many other famous people are all posting "power slagging on facebook and other sites" about this "gutter press" and much of what they say makes a lot of sense.... how about the "I Love Bears" fantastic weekend during Bear Pride didn't they announce a record donation for charity this year? I would also point you back to the posts of the 2nd July...

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- 7/6/2010 1:22:34 PM

Obviously the haters of Mark Ames and XXL are still out there. Interesting that Tim Jones is doing power slagging on facebook and other sites, maybe we should be asking him where the Tonker donations are for their Fur Pride Friday when they tagged yet again on the back of XXL's Bear Pride. Double standards here and the Pink Paper has a lot to answer for by stooping to gutter press levels to put this story up. They have shown no support for the Gay armed forces and police men and women who are being targeted on a daily basis by Muslim extremists. All you people who are defending them with this blanket hate campaign, you'll be the first to suffer when they turn on you.

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- 7/5/2010 5:28:29 PM

is Mark Ames really member of BNP ? or only have same politic view ?

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- 7/5/2010 1:16:21 PM

I think that comes comfortably inside the category of "none of you effing business".

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- 7/5/2010 10:37:11 AM

Really looking forward to seeing the cheque for Mark Amimes donation being handed over in the next week or so! Will he let the public see the books on this unlike his very successful XXL Bear Pride events which are "for charity"

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- 7/4/2010 7:30:00 PM

You're very welcome. Have a nice day.

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- 7/4/2010 3:20:51 PM

maybe my English is not the best but i can speak 7 languages , and i m trying to have better English too, Thanks for that .

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- 7/4/2010 5:25:10 AM

Perhaps you could spend your extra free time in English classes?

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- 7/4/2010 4:54:15 AM

that what Ames said clearly same view BNP leader have . "send all back to where they come from " it is not going to make me shock if someone find out actually he is supporting BNP too. and i don not believe he really apologies too. after all he still did not remove that message from his facebook wall .( can u believe that? ) means he is not really apologies . and other hand it is not only he made that message . after message a few guys try to make him understand that is wrong , he was chatting with them very angry and telling them "if you want you can move me from your friends list because i m not going to change my view ", that is mean he is not made that comment because he was up sad with someone or something , because he had that politic ( BNP ) view long years in his head . and he is not going to change . i Def. stop to going his club or anywhere near to him again .

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- 7/4/2010 12:46:06 AM

No "double standard" at all. In fact all that is being requested is the same standard on both sides of the (non-) argument. If you have never thought anything Ill towards any other group of people, then by all means criticise Ames' point of view, explaining in detail where he's wrong. Otherwise just shut your sycophantic arsewipe mouths, because you are no better than he is. From my perspective, he has the benefit of being honest about his feelings. Those who criticise him are as far as I can tell either liars or deluded because they claim levels of purity that are demonstrably false. The futile attempts by the Pink Paper to make something out of tis was shown to be the sham that it is by the crowds at XXL this evening. The people have spoken. PP lost. Now shut the fuck up.

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- 7/3/2010 1:12:03 PM

N********m nightmare - the end. Well life couldn't get much worse. To any one reading this - it could so easily happen to you if you say enough is enough and stand up to the bullies, politically subservient and the cowards. So, come on Mohammed. Do your worst. Oh, sorry to spoil your fun but this is where I check out. Who wants to exist in a country where there is no freedom to express yourself and where others demand the right to kill you because of whom we love. See you in the next life.

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- 7/3/2010 1:04:06 PM

N********m nightmare continued. I have turned to the right to combat the feeling of powerlessness, of being made to feel less than human - a difficult decision for a Green Party supporting, vegan gay man. I decided to show my colours and hung a 'White Pride' flag out of the window of my flat. I have been charged with inciting racial hatred. Would this have happened if it was a Gay Pride flag? I don't think so. I have been made homeless because of this. I am surprised that Mr. Ames has not been arrested for his comments. Maybe that is yet to come. What I am saying is that you are deluded if you think you have equality or rights of any kind if you are LGBT. We are Second Class in relation to racial and religious minorities. It's time to stand up and be counted. I'm encouraged by the comments on this page in support of Mr. Ames. Some of you have your eyes open to the threats that face us from certain groups. Me? I'm in hiding having been advised that extremist Muslims wish to kill me. The

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- 7/3/2010 12:52:03 PM

A North African Muslim has been living next door to me for three years. I have lived in my council flat in N********m City Centre for 32 years with no problems until this man moved in. Since he became my 'neighbour' I have had to endure the vilest stench from his home to such an extent that I was unable to open my windows. After first approaching him about the smell he chased me down the corridor outside my flat and attempted to kick in my front door. The violence, threats and homophobic abuse have gotten worse. The police have been no help, in fact they along with N********m City Homes and N********m City Council have made matters worse by mollycoddling and protecting this violent man and adding there own share of hatred and homophobia.Three times when he has heard me in the corridor he has opened his front-door, made his hand into a gun shape, 'fired' it and called me a 'f**king queer'. I have reacted to this non-stop barrage of abuse, of feeling powerless and to being made t

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- 7/3/2010 12:42:19 PM

Ames makes outrageously intolerant comments and people rush to defend him. Anyone who has the temerity to disagree with Ames comments is accused of being a "whiney, whinging, self-righteous and unelected busybod[y] of the PC brigade". Double standard.

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- 7/2/2010 11:18:00 PM

Someone told me that he was in the Tory party not too long ago. Anyone know if that is true? As the Tories are now in power what an interesting headline!!!!!

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- 7/2/2010 11:03:34 PM

Unless you can prove and audit those numbers, you have no choice but to admit you are a) guessing and b) shit-stirring.

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- 7/2/2010 10:24:49 PM

..... Let's see how much of the profits of XXL Pride weekend he pays to the Iraqi LGBT group in London. 1500 men paying £8-£12 entry drinking £20 a head = £45k less costs say of £12k. Great £33k to Iraqi LGBT will be a great cause and will help them tremendously. Let's see how much is donated???

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- 7/2/2010 10:22:17 PM

Anyone that has met Ames would understand his comments (that he was forced to remove) came from what he really believes on a whole. The back peddling and apologies was only when he realised he may have jeopardised his own safety - nothing else. It is well-known he is an obnoxious racist and extremely xenophobic. He has crossed many people across all walks of his life. One day he will cross the wrong people who wont take likely to his small minded views. Perhaps by upsetting a whole religious community (worldwide) he may have now met his match. We all remember what reprisals occurred to the building of the Danish Newspaper after fuelling racism with a comic of the profit! He is totally dishonest in business dealings and has left many small businesses reeling in debt by liquidating/changing his Ltd companies when it suits him. Furthermore, many of his former employees have taken him to employment tribunals and won but have been left with him again bankrupting his business

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- 7/2/2010 4:19:02 PM

Sometimes when you turn the other cheek, the other party takes notice. Sometimes, however, when you turn the other cheek, you just get butt-fucked. It is getting to the stage in this country when more and more people are getting bored being butt-fucked by radical extremist Muslims. Ames is just one of many people who have just about had enough of our good nature and freedoms being abused. He is FAR from being alone in his view. However, I am a fan of equality. So let's treat these people in exactly the same way that we would be treated if we behaved that way in a Muslim country. That's fair, isn't it?

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- 7/2/2010 12:57:13 AM

I am so saddened by these comments by Ames. I have fond memories of XXL from visiting London as a club proud of its inclusiveness. So much for these words from the XXL site: 'XXL’s aim is to cater for men of all ages, backgrounds, tastes and sizes with our “one club fits all” ethos and warm welcoming zero attitude door policy. We want every customer to feel like a VIP.'

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- 7/1/2010 11:28:42 PM

The man is right to express is dislike about islam and what is wrong about it? Since when do we as queers have to go around showing respect to extremists who rather see us dead? I have been fighting islamo-fascism for years now and boycotting muslims shops for a very long time indeed. I detest islam. Finally we queers are starting to come out and challenge the self styled muslim community leaders who are reactionary fascists in general. If aby of you wants to participated in direct action against islamo-fascism come over and join us at the EDL LGBT facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=352745454775

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- 7/1/2010 7:21:52 PM

I must draw attention to the fact that The Pink Paper did not censor or delete comments by anyone (that I know of) and I welcome their decision to allow a full and frank discussion. Well done. However, taking comments from a facebook page of an individual is rather sneaky!

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- 7/1/2010 3:19:37 PM

So once again the whiney, whinging, self-righteous and unelected busybodies of the PC brigade have had their misplaced self-importance boosted and freedom of speech and thought is further suppressed. The decline of this country is entirely at their hands, and I hope they are proud of themselves. Which is silly. Of course they are proud of themselves. Devoid of any detectable personalities themselves, they only exist to make others more miserable, and they have achieved this today.

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- 7/1/2010 2:54:51 PM

sadly it would appear that calling someone a racist is a successful way of silencing them... I only hope that Mr Ames is not "offended" by his treatment by the gay "community" and manages not to become radicalised.

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- 7/1/2010 2:49:32 PM

From the facebook page of Mark Ames (Continued) I am making this public apology along with the profits of XXL Pride weekend to the Iraqi LGBT group in London in light of the recent LGBT safe houses being raided. I would also like to add that my partner has helped me type this statement as I suffer from Dyslexia. Mark Ames

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- 7/1/2010 2:42:26 PM

From the facebook page of Mark Ames: I would like to make an unreserved apology to all Muslims whom I offended by my post on my Facebook wall. Firstly, I was directing my anger at extremists and I should have chosen my wording more carefully. It was written in anger at what I had viewed, and I should have taken time to think about this and not be reactionary. I also went on to ... See Morestate that I would boycott all Muslim businesses; again this was said in anger and in haste. Many people know that I have conservative views, but I must stress I am not a Racist, Xenophobe or anti Islamic. I have had a long term relationship with someone who has Middle Eastern origins and have mixed race family members. I wrote in anger and sadness at what is taking place in the UK and abroad and from having friends in the Armed forces who have been affected personally by ongoing conflict. Due to the fact that I have caused so much offence and hurt within this community I am making this public apology

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- 7/1/2010 11:44:48 AM

Having read the character assassination underway here, I am wondering if Jan Moir has started writing for the Pink Paper?

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- 7/1/2010 11:40:29 AM

... Wants more publicity for itself. Most gay people support the police and armed forces, as does Ames, and only the mindless, gobby PC brigade would seek to cause trouble where none exists.

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- 7/1/2010 11:38:23 AM

Cliches and insults it is then? I love these trendy lefty types who vigorously defend freedom of speech so long as it matches their own warped and distorted view of how the world works. As soon as someone says something different, it's all "wrong" and should be attacked. How very totalitarian of them. Ames described the Muslim extremists who attacked our police and armed forces as scum and said that since the muslim world was doing nothing to control them, he was going to boycott muslim businesses until they took the issues within their own community seriously. Firstly, he is right - they are scum. Secondly, he can boycott whomever he chooses, since despite attempts by the mindless PC brigade, this is still a free country. Thirdly, he is right in that the only way changes are going to happen in the Muslim community need to come from within, and they have done absolutely nothing whatsoever so far. This fuss has all come up because the Pink Paper has misjudged its audience and

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- 7/1/2010 11:37:14 AM

I am someone from the left of politics and while I dont support Ames I do feel that LGBT need to wake up to the dangers of islamification of Europe. Europeans generally don't have large families in the main Moslem people who have settled in Europe tend to have very large families. Gadaffi jokingly said that Moslems would take over Europe without having to fire a shot. Sadly I fear he is right. I was recently in Marseille and was astounded to see that it was more like a north African city than a European city. We are signing the death warrants of countless generations of LGBT people if we do not see that Islamification is a problem. Small countries like Ireland,Holland and the Netherlands will adopt Sharia first but eventually Moslems will have the majorties to adopt it anywhere they choose.

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- 7/1/2010 11:26:59 AM

Nothing to do with superiority, unless you're talking about tolerance (and spelling and grammar), in which case a tree could out-do you. As I intimated below, comtempt breeds contempt. Pragmatically of course I don't think that all gay men are liberal and tolerant, it just makes me sad when I find vocal examples of people that aren't. 'Darkness can not drive out darkness - only light can do that'

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- 7/1/2010 11:18:34 AM

Do feel free to use your superiority and educate us, then.

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- 7/1/2010 11:17:19 AM

Your complete lack of awareness of the irony of that statement is amazing.

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- 7/1/2010 11:15:15 AM

We hang out in the bit that actually supports our police and armed forces when they get attacked by extremists. We don't hang out with wooly-headed politically-correct whiney queens who haven't the first idea what is going on in the real world.

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- 7/1/2010 11:10:07 AM

I think you lot have gotten lost on your way to the Daily Mail message boards. No minority can ever be accepted while it contains bigotry in its own ranks and the worst bit is you can't see it. It's people posting these hideous messages that are insulting and degrading our soldiers that are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq - they are fighting there to safeguard Muslim states in case you hadn't noticed, and doing it with honour and a 'let's get on with the job' attitude. I deplore extremism in all forms, but I also deplore fear and ignorance presented as facts. I don't know which part of the gay scene you all hang out in, but please let me know so I can avoid it.

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- 7/1/2010 11:04:13 AM

Since when have Iraqi LGBT and IMAAN been "leading members of the London gay community"?

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- 7/1/2010 11:03:18 AM

So, this is what the PINK PAPER is DEFENDING!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCJvrWgLMf8 With the view the Editor Tris Reid-Smith and his staff have taken then I accuse them of being accessories to murders.

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- 7/1/2010 10:53:41 AM

Jeremy Joseph worried that muslims would feel unwelcome at XXL? Don't make me laugh! He'll be installing wudu facilities next and insisting the draq queens wear burka. Of course he'd welcome a boycott of XXL, as long as those doing so went to G-A-Y instead. And as for Peter Tatchell, quite frankly he's gone down in my estimations, this once brilliant man supporting islam... maybe it's the brain damage?

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- 7/1/2010 10:47:02 AM

After working for the Muslim Association of Britain (I used to be a wooly liberal until I saw first hand what was going on) I've boycotted muslim businesses for several years since. I don't take holidays in muslim countries. I turned down a (very well paid) job in Dubai. That is my choice. MARK AMES, I salute you.

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- 7/1/2010 10:41:13 AM

Thankfully that Dutch politician has since been allowed into the UK (and won a third of the vote in Holland), unfortunately it's too late for Theo van Gogh and many, many others...

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- 7/1/2010 10:37:21 AM

Theo van Gogh was murdered for speaking the truth and Ayaan Hirsi Ali now lives under 24hr guard... again make up your own mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGtQvGGY4S4

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- 7/1/2010 10:36:08 AM

A few years ago, an elected member of a European parliament was banned from entering the UK so as not to "offend" muslims... so much for freedom of speech. I wanted to know exactly what was so offensive so I tracked down the movie... apparently the "offence" was to show passages of the quran. Watch with a critical eye and an open mind and decide for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI

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- 7/1/2010 9:34:02 AM

Mark Ames is only doing what I have done for years. Why should I spend my hard earned cash in shops and businesses run by homophobes? I would NEVER holiday in a Muslim country, or any country that had anti gay laws. What is wrong in sticking up for ones rights? I support victims of gay hate everywhere, including Muslim ones. I don't hate Muslims, I hate their vile religion.

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- 7/1/2010 9:21:30 AM

I want to know why the Pink Paper hates our police and armed forces so much that they feel the need to launch an attack on someonevwho is supporting them.

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- 7/1/2010 6:48:15 AM

An URL to a screen grab of Mark Ames' Facebook wall comments: http://i50.tinypic.com/2zxwc5d.jpg

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- 7/1/2010 1:19:56 AM

This isn't to do with XXL, this is to do with Mark Ames as an individual and his right to free speech. It's obvious the editor of the Pink Paper has started a witch hunt to promote himself, and others who have an issue with Ames are putting the boot in. I hope the muslim extremists get one of you lot, so you realise what he's fighting for.

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- 7/1/2010 1:09:53 AM

I am so saddened by these comments by Ames. I have fond memories of XXL from visiting London as a club proud of its inclusiveness. So much for these words from the XXL site: 'XXL’s aim is to cater for men of all ages, backgrounds, tastes and sizes with our “one club fits all” ethos and warm welcoming zero attitude door policy. We want every customer to feel like a VIP.'

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- 7/1/2010 1:09:30 AM

And all you left wing supporters out there, you have played right into the hands of the extremists, they will use us fighting amongst ourselves to divide and slaughter without them even lifting a finger. Pathetic beyond belief, Harvey Milk would be ashamed of you all.

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- 7/1/2010 1:07:10 AM

The people he is speaking about in the video are scum, they attacked our Soldiers and Police officers who defend us. You might not like the way he has said it, but it's the truth. How long before more LGBT people are massacred by this intolerant religion before you stupid people wake up and start fighting for your own lives in this country???

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- 7/1/2010 12:07:01 AM

Imaan - the LGBT Muslim support group - have responded to Mark Ames' comments with clarity and sense. Reading all the posts made by people here, it's not rocket science; Mark Ames was 100% wrong to say what he said. If he had said he is against terrorists, then that is a completely different matter and Muslims would whole-heartedly support him. You cannot justify telling 'scum' to go back where they came from and boycotting Muslims, anymore then you should tell gays to stop being 'fags' or 'paedos' and be denied a right to exist in society, or tell all Irish people to be deported because of the terrorist activities of the IRA. Yes, we all despise terrorists, but terrorists and Islam are NOT the same thing. And the Qu'ran has NEVER advocated terrorism. What has happened recently - and this happens with all religions unfortunately - is that a minority have manipulated religion for their own selfish views. And you can't say this is a reason to be against religion. The majority of British

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- 6/30/2010 11:35:29 PM

well done mark ames , finally someone from the gay community with some balls and say what so many think. people talk about deriving individual interpretations from the quran n bible when it relates to their personal indulgence. Equally i think we can also interpret his blog just as divisely.

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- 6/30/2010 11:12:01 PM

"Mark Ames was 100% wrong to say what he said". No. He has e eery right to say what he said. You may disagree with it, but that doesn't make him wrong, since there is no measurement of absolutes here, merely opinions. Yours differs from his. Deal with it.

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- 6/30/2010 10:22:13 PM

Here's a screengrab of Mark Ames' Facebook wall posting: http://tinyurl.com/337cqeb

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- 6/30/2010 9:41:22 PM

Imaan - the LGBT Muslim support group - have responded to Mark Ames' comments with clarity and sense. Reading all the posts made by people here, it's not rocket science; Mark Ames was 100% wrong to say what he said. If he had said he is against terrorists, then that is a completely different matter and Muslims would whole-heartedly support him. You cannot justify telling 'scum' to go back where they came from and boycotting Muslims, anymore then you should tell gays to stop being 'fags' or 'paedos' and be denied a right to exist in society, or tell all Irish people to be deported because of the terrorist activities of the IRA. Yes, we all despise terrorists, but terrorists and Islam are NOT the same thing. And the Qu'ran has NEVER advocated terrorism. What has happened recently - and this happens with all religions unfortunately - is that a minority have manipulated religion for their own selfish views. And you can't say this is a reason to be against religion. The majority of British

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- 6/30/2010 9:18:33 PM

Imaan - the LGBT Muslim support group - have responded to Mark Ames' comments with clarity and sense. Reading all the posts made by people here, it's not rocket science; Mark Ames was 100% wrong to say what he said. If he had said he is against terrorists, then that is a completely different matter and Muslims would whole-heartedly support him. You cannot justify telling 'scum' to go back where they came from and boycotting Muslims, anymore then you should tell gays to stop being 'fags' or 'paedos' and be denied a right to exist in society, or tell all Irish people to be deported because of the terrorist activities of the IRA. Yes, we all despise terrorists, but terrorists and Islam are NOT the same thing. And the Qu'ran has NEVER advocated terrorism. What has happened recently - and this happens with all religions unfortunately - is that a minority have manipulated religion for their own selfish views. And you can't say this is a reason to be against religion. The majority of British

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- 6/30/2010 8:14:01 PM

I support Mark Ames and XXL for standing up for what he believes in. I all ready boycott ALL KFC for only using halal meat were I live. So if you truly believe in Gay rights then back Mark Ames and XXL. Boycott gay business too, if they support Islam, I do

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- 6/30/2010 6:16:53 PM

If there is no willingness, then it is totally fair to say that they are all as bad as their worst elements.

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- 6/30/2010 5:59:54 PM

Perhaps there is no willingness? Only taqiyya.

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- 6/30/2010 5:56:25 PM

Joan of Arc was captured, charged, tried and sentenced to death (by the French) and executed (by the English) for dressing like a man, which was a capital offense back then. Things change, sometimes slowly, sometimes more rapidly. But just because Islam says one thing now, it doesn't have to stay that way. If the willingness is there, it can change for the better, but that change has to come from within.

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- 6/30/2010 5:43:15 PM

So they *are* all as bad as each other then?

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- 6/30/2010 5:39:03 PM

Why has there been no reformation from inside islam? Because the quran clearly states that anyone who suggests it should be killed.

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- 6/30/2010 5:36:22 PM

Yes and no. An indignant, queeny 'tut' has so far proved ineffective against extremist views from any quarter. Experience has shown that the most effective changes to wrongs come from within the groups themselves. It is up to the Muslim communities to deal with their own extremist elements, and they have proved either unwilling to try or incompetent in their efforts so far. They need encouragement and one way to point out to them that the rest of us have had enough is to hit them where they notice - in the wallet. I see no issue with Ames' decision, despite the scripted yelling from the rose-tinted PC brigade.

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- 6/30/2010 5:31:41 PM

Totally against totalitarianism, but do we tolerate intolerance?

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- 6/30/2010 5:26:44 PM

First of all, I think we should all be looking for the good in one another, irrespective of race, creed, sexuality... Secondly, surely if we lump together all people belonging to a particular group, we fail to see the individual. And isn't that what LGBT people complain about all the time. Yes to freedom of speech but yes to using that wisely and showing our best side.

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- 6/30/2010 5:22:22 PM

I imagine you know this because you asked them all at the time?

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- 6/30/2010 5:18:26 PM

Since 9/11 there have been 15,553 deadly terror attacks by muslims.

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- 6/30/2010 5:18:13 PM

Let's discuss how religions can be interpreted in a gazillion different ways actually.

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- 6/30/2010 5:16:58 PM

Since 9/11 there have been 15,553 deadly terror attacks by muslims.

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- 6/30/2010 5:16:15 PM

Let's discuss how religions can be interpreted in a gazillion different ways actually.

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- 6/30/2010 5:13:04 PM

I love it when mindless numpties start going on about how we live in a democracy, but forget that part of that is having the freedom to express one's own views. If they had bothered to read Ames's views, and managed to deal with his dyslexia-caused writing style, they would see that he is defending our police and armed fires from abuse from the extremists. He has chosen to take a passive stance by boycotting businesses who support these extremists religion. Where's the problem? It's not as if he us on the street shouting abuse at their priests or anything. Get a grip people. And yes, this whole tub of bullshit about the 'gay community' is exactly that. I am gay and believe me I do not belong to any 'community' this devoid of common sense, reasoning or reading ability.

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- 6/30/2010 5:11:08 PM

Shall we discuss Taqiyya next?

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- 6/30/2010 5:09:20 PM

There is no race called muslim, therfore Mr Ames comments cannot be racist. In a YOUGOV poll last year, 100% of respondents (muslims in the uk) said that homosexuality was wrong... where are the "moderate" voices?

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- 6/30/2010 5:04:41 PM

There is no such thing as a British muslim... there is nothing above allah (even nationality) therefore whilst there can be muslims who are British, there cannot be British muslims. There are hypocrites in many walks of life, but to claim to be a muslim means belief that the quran is the undisputable word of god... or are they picking and choosing which bits are the word of god? If so they are not muslim. Mostly these people are scared of retribution by "fellow muslims" In islam the penalty for leaving the faith is death. The acclaimed islamic scholar Robert Spencer has put together an honest and truthful account of the quran. Read it at www.jihadwatch.org/islam101. I welcome any islamic scholars to pick holes in it... if they can! And I know that Mr Spencer would welcome any conversation in this matter. Trying to discuss islam with someone who hasn't even read the quran is like trying to discuss applied algebra with someone who can't add 2+2. Unfortunately so many

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- 6/30/2010 5:01:42 PM

continued - true democracy. You shoudl take your ill informed and narrow views to The Daily Mail comment pages.

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- 6/30/2010 5:00:47 PM

@whoever wrote that last comment. Mate what decade are you living in? You don't see anything wrong with bigoted views of anyone with a different colour skin because of the views of a few from one religion. If you have taken the tiem to read the guy's rather disgusting views, you'll see that he can't differentiate between someone with brown skin and a Muslim. The guy is a prominant gay scene figure (the community of which is in no way vague) and with that comes responsibility - especially if you are shovelling money from said community into your pockets I think you would find most other club promoters and bar owners think the same, but not from PC Britain gone mad but rather that they are tolerant and normal people. As with any religion, the potential problem isn't in the text or the followers but how it is applied. We live in a progressive, tolerant country - from which comes some pitfalls such as extremism happening in certain quarters but that is the price you pay for living in a

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- 6/30/2010 4:25:51 PM

Take it easy with the "[sic]" girls! And if you're going to do it, be consistent and correct, which you're neither. It makes your white heat of righteous indignation look hurried and amateurish. With regard to Mark Ames views, I see no problem with them. He is at the sharp point of many of the issues he cares about, and has every right to boycott any and all businesses he sees fit to. It is political correctness gone made to say or think otherwise. Islam, along with its more rabid followers, is hate filled and homophobic and there is nothing wrong with anyone saying so. I am not sure that wheeling out the Jeremy Joseph Rent-a-Quote as a converse view furthers the discussion either. It is about time those of us in the mythical "gay community" started talking more plainly and less like a bunch of self-important prissy little queens desperate to be politically correct at the cost of losing sight of common sense.

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- 6/30/2010 1:28:04 PM

The below URL is a screen-grab of Mark Ames' Facebook wall comment and replies. http://tinyurl.com/337cqeb

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- 6/30/2010 1:23:35 PM

Although I can find much to disagree with regarding Mark Ames particular stance regarding muslims I must add my real life experience as a contrast. I was driven out of my home when I transitioned and began living openly as a woman by muslim men who I had regarded as friends. Also as a sex worker I will not meet asian or black men as each time in the past when I have they have treated me very badly which I will not stand for. Personally I fail to see how anybody can support a religious ideology that spreads such hatred. I include christianity in this as I don't discriminate between hateful religions.

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- 6/30/2010 1:12:30 PM

i've been a victim of extremist homophobia 99% of the time, from other minority communities particularly the black and muslim communities. so i would agree that for some ,being a member of a minority community does not increase the amount of tolerance shown to other minorities .

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- 6/30/2010 12:42:33 PM

Unfortunately a lot of lgbt people have less than liberal views on most things. I am not surprised at this hate-rant. I have heard this and loads worse before. Sadly being a member of a minority community does not increase the amount of tolerance shown to other minorities. However I dont think our troops should be fighting and losing their lives in an unwinnable conflict. Bring them home Now.

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